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Message 15451 - Posted: 13 Aug 2018, 18:13:06 UTC

Hello everyone.
I will leave and also suggest to the member of the first belgian team member to do the same !!!
I compare all. I mean i not mix CPU and GPU. I also not mix CPU.
I have two perfect identically host. Then one less powerfull and one more pôwerfull. All with the same RAM. No any overclocking. They runs at nominal frequency clock.So I can compare.

All my profile is fully open, on all project !
All my hosts are visible.

Why I think to leave ?
1. Very few to "crunch"

2. the estimated calculation is totally false (GFLOPS), not estimated time. Please my other post about credits... How can I run one WU of COLATS of 100,000GFLOPS in 15 minuts and here 10,000GFLOPS takes hours and hours, never ending hours ???


3. No reaction from Admin !!!

4. Credits are never stable. For the same host, same running time, credits vary from 1 to 3. This for the same GFLOPS !!!

5. Running WU very often are too late because deadline to short !

6. No any checkpoint , buet very long WU. So impossible tu run normally, unless host is 24/247 always on ! (It is my case). But if someone want to shutdown, all need to start again.. This sometimes afetre hours running. And of course no any change in the slots !!! Example with WIN7 : C:\ProgramData\BOINC\slots

7. This project is member of Formula BOINC, eligible to be candidate fror "Sprint", but unable to produce WU. Please refer to : http://formula-boinc.org/projets.py?lang=&year=2018

So wy to give to this project, our time, electric power we pay, for nothing or very few ???
???
???

I let this post one week, then I disconnect and will advise my team to do the same.

Sorry, but it is enough now.

Best and kind regards from the first Belgian team admin.
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Message 15453 - Posted: 13 Aug 2018, 18:25:42 UTC - in response to Message 15451.  

For the same host, same running time, credits vary from 1 to 3.

Oh it can be much much worse than that. Check out some of the graphs from the Payday announcement thread.
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Message 15454 - Posted: 13 Aug 2018, 18:29:10 UTC - in response to Message 15451.  

Sorry I was something forgotten. !!!
The WU use and take all Cores. But in fact, it use only one core. !!!
It need to use all cores, but in fact, use only one.



So, Why to bloàck all Cores to do nothing ???? This is a real bullshit project !
Now, mon 13jul, 18:25GMT, I cancell all the WU 8
Sorry !!!

I will let run only one WU :
https://burp.renderfarming.net/workunit.php?wui
d=3290181,
on host
https://burp.renderfarming.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=81394

So evryone will be able to see !

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Message 15455 - Posted: 13 Aug 2018, 18:45:35 UTC - in response to Message 15453.  

For the same host, same running time, credits vary from 1 to 3.

Oh it can be much much worse than that. Check out some of the graphs from the Payday announcement thread.



Janus
Best regards.
But it not explain the misuse of cores, it not explain why 10,000GFLOPS estimated calculation need even or more time than 100,00GFLOPS !!!
The the WU are fully false.
If the received WU estimate about 10,000, why it take 10 times more ?
Why A WU who bloack all Cores, (8Cores for me) Why it block seven Cores and let the seven other doing NOTHING !!!

If a WU need 8 cores, no problem. I can not run something else. No problem I repeat. But It block all other to do NOTHING, I know I repeat the same !

I discoverd it due to the warm weather here in Europe. I have a monitoring on all my host temperature. And on one (host 81394), the T° Core was very low (35°C) !!!! Strange because all others are around 50/55°C.
Normal, I run, crunch at full speed, 24/24, 7/7....

So it was the host crunching BURP. Normal that this CPU stay cold : your WU use only one core. But block all other.

If it can help, I use BAM (synchro each 4 hours)

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Message 15456 - Posted: 13 Aug 2018, 18:50:39 UTC

There's already another thread about that
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Message 15461 - Posted: 14 Aug 2018, 9:24:21 UTC - in response to Message 15451.  
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Hello everyone.
I will leave and also suggest to the member of the first belgian team member to do the same !!!

Jeez, since your issues are mostly adressed in other threads already I can only add this to give you a bit of experience points I made in all the years here:
First, this is a project which is STILL Beta since years, you noticed that in one of your other posts. There always can be problems here and everyone needs to know that, so stop telling people to stay away here, this is their OWN decision.

1. Very few to "crunch"

Unfortunately there can be done very few against this currently except for everyone who is into Rendering telling to use Blender and BURP... ;-)
There was a time we rendered a whole film here, wish we would/could do that again... ;-)

2. the estimated calculation is totally false (GFLOPS), not estimated time. Please my other post about credits... How can I run one WU of COLATS of 100,000GFLOPS in 15 minuts and here 10,000GFLOPS takes hours and hours, never ending hours ???

Already adressed, this is the nature of this project, runtimes cannot be estimated correctly - either live with it or not... ;-)

3. No reaction from Admin !!!

Nonsense, as you already discovered.
While Janus can be away from time to time (as every admin can!) he adresses problems as fast as he can when he gets aware of it. There are projects with far more worse admin communications, you probably know that...

4. Credits are never stable. For the same host, same running time, credits vary from 1 to 3. This for the same GFLOPS !!!

Blame it on CreditScrew, already adressed.

6. No any checkpoint , buet very long WU. So impossible tu run normally, unless host is 24/247 always on !

Suggestion: try hibernating Windows in such cases. Mostly works.
While the length of the WUs can vary from session to session and even IN sessions checkpoints probably never will be introduced since that is a VERY hard thing on this kind of project if you dig deeper into the materia.

7. This project is member of Formula BOINC, eligible to be candidate fror "Sprint", but unable to produce WU. Please refer to : http://formula-boinc.org/projets.py?lang=&year=2018

As far as I know one of the criteria for Formula BOINC is the need of continuity of work flow. Since this is not given here (and never can't be given) I can't understand why BURP was ever included there. If you know someone from there tell him to remove it from the Formula, makes things easier.

So wy to give to this project, our time, electric power we pay, for nothing or very few ???
???
???

I let this post one week, then I disconnect and will advise my team to do the same.

And again, stop telling people what they have to do. This is more or less an artist project here and even if it ONLY gives you credits and nothing else in return (as projects do in general) every participation is welcome. This is the spirit of BOINC: volunteerily doing stuff for other people to help them getting better.
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Message 15462 - Posted: 14 Aug 2018, 9:34:48 UTC

More for the rest of us.

Some of that has already been explained elsewhere and some of it has nothing to do with BURP but BOINC has a whole.
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