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Message 4154 - Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 19:50:18 UTC

Could anyone pleas tell me when will we have some WU? I am not a member for a long time but I also didnt see any work unit for a long time!

Thank you!:)
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Message 4156 - Posted: 14 Oct 2006, 5:57:23 UTC - in response to Message 4154.  

Could anyone pleas tell me when will we have some WU? I am not a member for a long time but I also didnt see any work unit for a long time!

Thank you!:)


Well, this project is still in development, but Janus somewhere in the fora suggested that we would see some during this weekend.

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Message 4163 - Posted: 15 Oct 2006, 8:53:48 UTC

Thank you, Peter!
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Message 4519 - Posted: 24 Jan 2007, 2:20:38 UTC - in response to Message 4156.  

Is there an eta as to when we will c some more workunit?

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Message 4536 - Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 3:21:44 UTC

Same here, can we please have some work? I can\'t wait to see this project going public. It seems BURP have been rather stagnant for the past year, please, don\'t let it die...

Are you waiting for 2.43?
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Message 4541 - Posted: 16 Feb 2007, 0:33:33 UTC

Stagnant is definately the word what is happening janus, have you given up?
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Message 4542 - Posted: 17 Feb 2007, 22:37:51 UTC

Count me in among the people who want to see this project go into full swing!
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Message 4544 - Posted: 19 Feb 2007, 17:11:15 UTC - in response to Message 4541.  
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Stagnant is definately the word what is happening janus, have you given up?

Given up? No way!
What has happened is that I\'ve run into some pretty hardcore time constraints and may have to reevaluate the project schedule quite a bit:

1) Ditch all current client-side development entirely and instead focus on bringing the server-side up-to-date and ready for alpha switchover.
Also attempt to outsource non-vital parts of the system to other programmers.

2) Switch to alpha-style ignoring the two remaining big client-side errors (timing issues and the seemingly still present blender-keeps-running error)

3) THEN attempt to fix whatever clientside issues still remain.

Status on the upload system is that it is complete and has undergone enough testing to say that it works very well. Remaining implementation (applet upload with progress indicator for browsers that support it) will be delayed indefinitely (or untill someone shows up with some source code for it). This is now reflected on the front page as well.

When is the switchover?, you ask. May very well be this friday if everything turns out to run as expected.

What will be different?
Well, the idea is that queued sessions either start rendering or will be rejected within 48 hours of submission in at least 90% of the cases.
This sounds like a pretty weak quality bound, but I\'ll rather set it too low and do better than set it too high and break it.
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Message 4548 - Posted: 19 Feb 2007, 18:17:08 UTC

Hey Janus, good to hear from you! I was beginning to think something awful had happened to you.
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Message 4555 - Posted: 19 Feb 2007, 22:25:49 UTC - in response to Message 4544.  

Also attempt to outsource non-vital parts of the system to other programmers.

Client code will have to be released, if you keep using cygwin to compile Windows version. Cygwin is GPL, and you\'re linking against its library if you compile apps with it. That forces your app to be GPL too (or a compatible license).

API code (BOINC-supplied code for science apps), if modified, needs to be released as well. LGPL allows linking to it and not showing source of your own app (you have to because of cygwin stuff explained above), but if you modify the LGPL code, you have to release your changes. I doubt you changed that, though. I don\'t see why somebody would need to.

I think modified BOINC server code wouldn\'t need to be released. Even if BOINC code is LGPL, you aren\'t distributing binaries of server stuff to anybody, so I think that OK (if it\'s not, then most projects are violating the LGPL!).

That\'s what licenses force you to do, of course it would be great if you release code for everything! :)

PS: what license does Blender have?
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Message 4556 - Posted: 19 Feb 2007, 23:06:04 UTC - in response to Message 4555.  
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First of all you only have to GPL your code if you distribute it with linkage to the Cygwin runtime system (which is not the case for the BURP client, cygwin was merely used in the build-process for ease-of-compile, it was compiled with the -no_cygwin option set). All changes to BOINC have been committed back into their CVS tree, you may obtain that code from Berkeley. Blender too is GPL and all changes to the Blender source are released in the clients/blender/ directory in CVS and patches may be obtained on request.

Secondly, although only stated very few places, the client IS in fact GPL\'ed and is available from CVS in the clients/ directory. Whether or not it is still possible to anonymously log into the BURP CVS is a good question, though.

Part of the switch to alpha is a cleaning up in the CVS tree which includes getting everything (including licensing files) in the right places before making copies available as .tar.gz
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Message 4557 - Posted: 19 Feb 2007, 23:17:08 UTC
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Well, I asked because I have seen cygwin1.dll on client releases. Don\'t know about latest ones though.

What is your CVS server? It\'s not linked anywhere. (btw I prefer SVN a hundred times :D)
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Message 4558 - Posted: 19 Feb 2007, 23:21:24 UTC - in response to Message 4557.  
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A forum search reveals: CVS repository and access.
I have to warn you, though - the public CVS is usually quite out of sync when I\'m having time issues.
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Message 4560 - Posted: 19 Feb 2007, 23:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 4556.  

Whether or not it is still possible to anonymously log into the BURP CVS is a good question, though.

I confirm it\'s not =)
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Message 4572 - Posted: 21 Feb 2007, 19:12:09 UTC

Hi Janus, glad to hear from you. Althought I am no \'hardcore\' programmer, I appreciate the work you are doing.

Also, I think it\'s wise to temporaryly remove part of the BURP code that would be considered \'optional\'(as you\'ve alredy done to povray), and instead just release a core-BURP to the public, this way, with BURP fully operational, it will get a lot more publicity and more programmers will be willing to contribute to a project that doesn\'t appear to be stuck in alpha for 2 years. ONCE BURP is working, we can slowly add more features to it such as pause/resume, m-blur counter, and other things on the server side.

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Message 4573 - Posted: 21 Feb 2007, 19:22:06 UTC
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\"Half a product is better than a half-assed product.\" So yep, drop features so we can reach beta faster :)

Isn\'t that what Microsoft did too? They couldn\'t reach deadlines and ended up dropping half the promised new features for Vista... Although the idea is \"delay the release, drop features, or give out a broken product\", and Microsoft did all three... Sorry, couldn\'t resist my anti-MS flame :)
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Message 4575 - Posted: 22 Feb 2007, 18:21:40 UTC

Stage 1 (hardware and OS upgrades) of the switchover is now complete, meaning that I\'m about half done with all the stuff that needs to be changed to switch to alpha this weekend.
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Message 4577 - Posted: 22 Feb 2007, 18:51:14 UTC - in response to Message 4575.  

Stage 1 (hardware and OS upgrades) of the switchover is now complete, meaning that I\'m about half done with all the stuff that needs to be changed to switch to alpha this weekend.



Hi Janus,

have you checked the new mirror?

Cheers

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Message 4578 - Posted: 22 Feb 2007, 20:07:01 UTC - in response to Message 4577.  
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Stage 1 (hardware and OS upgrades) of the switchover is now complete, meaning that I\'m about half done with all the stuff that needs to be changed to switch to alpha this weekend.



Hi Janus,

have you checked the new mirror?

Cheers

Indy

Yes I\'ve seen the new mirrors. Updating the mirror-list is the very last thing that happes before the switchover is done. You can check the status of your mirror on the mirror status page (when the server isn\'t down, that is).

Theoretically we are still inside the scheduled 48hr downtime timeslot at the moment, so don\'t expect the webserver to be available at all.
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Message 4579 - Posted: 22 Feb 2007, 20:20:31 UTC - in response to Message 4578.  


Yes I\'ve seen the new mirrors. Updating the mirror-list is the very last thing that happes before the switchover is done. You can check the status of your mirror on the mirror status page (when the server isn\'t down, that is).

Theoretically we are still inside the scheduled 48hr downtime timeslot at the moment, so don\'t expect the webserver to be available at all.



Thanks for the Information :-).

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