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Message 6389 - Posted: 10 Jul 2007, 16:56:52 UTC

Recently, I\'ve noticed that a lot of sessions that are being rendered, have authors with no credit, or even the client installed. I have been under the impression that BURP is a project where you can have your project rendered but just as well, you must give back to the BURP community by rendering other BURP projects on your own computer. If that isn\'t how it works, I think that is how it should work.

I\'m not saying that the people who have their projects rendered and don\'t have the BURP client on their computer are bad people. I\'m just saying that it would be fair.
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Message 6390 - Posted: 10 Jul 2007, 17:57:51 UTC

During this early test phase anyone can have a project rendered. Probably in beta and certainly by production phase it will work as you expected. The rate has yet to be determined though.


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Message 6448 - Posted: 24 Jul 2007, 4:45:20 UTC

It would be nice if people who want to support the project, but don\'t actually have the skills(or, perhaps don\'t desire) to make their own movie could transfer their earned time to other people.

Could this be implemented at some point? Meaning, if you had a friend or a favorite Blender movie, you could donate your time to them. Also, maybe an expiration date could be attached to the donation, in case the person doesn\'t use or doesn\'t need the extra time.(It would be a shame if someone earned a month\'s worth of time, and the person they gave their time to never used it)
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Message 6452 - Posted: 24 Jul 2007, 10:29:27 UTC

Did you see in \"Your Account\" the \"Spendable credit left\"?

That\'s for you to donate in the future to project you like ;-)


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Message 6685 - Posted: 18 Sep 2007, 16:12:50 UTC
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I hit upon BURP and Blender more or less by accident and was immediately fascinated by this great project, because I have been playing with 3D animations for quite some years now (with 3DS) and have permanently been frustrated that I simply didn\'t have the computing ressources to do the animations I wanted. Actually there are some I did never actually render, because rendertimes were hopelessly infinite (many months sometimes - my computers are not always up-to-date, can\'t afford). So I want to give many thanks to all who contribute computing power, and many thanks especially to Janus, who seems to build this up.

Being this excited about the possibilities that BURP offers, I\'m keen to take advantage and realise things (animations) that I let aside before, or that I never even had tried. BURP gave me new impulses. I had almost given up 3D for years now and instead concentrated on photography and video. Now I am interested to combine these with 3D. (How, has yet to be seen.)

So far about my BURP background; in fact I wrote that because this question came up: how much may I use BURP?
As long as BURP is practically \"open\", this is an ethical question.
As long as I (or any other user) am not competing for BURP render time (since BURP is often idle), from my point of view it should be O.K. if I frequently submit new sessions. However, sessions also consume server (and mirror?) resources, and there may be other aspects that I don\'t know. So I think this should be discussed - not referring to me, but generally.

I think that in the future \"spendable credit\" is a good way to ensure a balance between using BURP for rendering and contributing computer power. I also support jasong\'s suggestion:

It would be nice if people who want to support the project, but don\'t actually have the skills(or, perhaps don\'t desire) to make their own movie could transfer their earned time to other people.
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Message 6686 - Posted: 19 Sep 2007, 2:40:40 UTC

I\'d be happy to see more sessions as well, as I\'d like my team to get more BURP credit; I\'ve lost two positions in the last month, and I\'m none too happy about it!

Plus, more people using BURP means that bugs are exposed faster.
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Message 6696 - Posted: 20 Sep 2007, 20:35:23 UTC - in response to Message 6685.  
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[...] in fact I wrote that because this question came up: how much may I use BURP?
As long as BURP is practically \"open\", this is an ethical question.

That\'s true.

The general trend so far has been that there\'s more CPU resources available than what the average load calls for - which means that there is no need to activate any of the countermeasures that are in place to restrict artists\'s usage of the renderfarm. That said, the speed with which sessions can be rendered can still be improved by adding additional CPU power. If the general trend changes it may actually start costing spendable credit like originally designed.

So what about \"competition\" amongst artists? Currently the system seems to be almost fair in this regard as long as there is less than 5 sessions rendering concurrently. More complex renders make way for simpler (faster) ones etc. so no problem here either.

The only question that remains is whether an individual should be able to continously claim resources on the renderfarm over a long period of time. So far the answer to that has been \"yes, as long as it serves a purpose and does not disturb either development or other artists\'s sessions\". To put this rule of thumb into action a few features were developed (sleeping and low priority sessions). In the case an administrator deems it necessary to moderate the resource use of a particular user to increase the overall performance of the system these tools may be put in effect.

Actual abuse of the system is dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

In other words: Feel free to use BURP as much as you like. The system is built to be as fair as possible to everyone, so competition for resources amongst artists is expected and should be handled gracefully. If you submit an overly complex session (like 450 a few months ago) it will be moderated to allow the remaining sessions to render optimally. If you generally use too many resources you\'ll get a friendly mail from an admin informing you about the situation.
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Message 6705 - Posted: 21 Sep 2007, 21:44:25 UTC

Thanks, Janus, for outlaying the \"policy\". I think that it\'s a good way, including the \"case-by-case\" dealing with abuse / friendly mail from admin.
So for now I won\'t hesitate to use BURP. If anybody (user or admin) feels that I am overexploiting, please let me know.
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